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7:40 pm
Apr 9, 2010


Adam

Manchester, England

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Post edited 6:43 pm — Apr 9, 2010 by Adam


Good Evening Gentlemen,

In a previous post I mentioned I was considering the idea of fitting Chain Tugs to my bike, but at the time I was unsure if they would adversely affect the appearance of the bike. Forgive me if I’m explaining the obvious, but I feel a little explanation as to what a Chain Tug is, it it simply acts as a brace against the chain, an as such the axle bolts, and if the mythical Pashley quick release ever appear they enable them to be used on the front and rear of the bike.

The Chain tug can be fitted on only the chain drive side or as I have done, fitted both sides to make wheel alignment a doddle. After digging around I found these http://www.charliethebikemonge.….ocart2.htm abtly named NoLogo Chain Tugs and at £3.50 a steal. I’ll also add that Charlie was very helpful and a fan of the Guv’

This is a picture of the Chain Tug prior to fitting:


and after


As you can see it sits unobtrusively and as previously mentioned makes wheel adjustment very quick and accurate.

Regards,

Adam

(Edited to try and tidy the layout)

4:57 pm
Apr 12, 2010


Duchy Wheeler

Cornwall. UK

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Greetings Adam.….… trust you have recovered from the ‘Tweed Run’!  I’m looking forward to some more photos of the day.

I have ordered four of these tugs from this chap via Ebay and I have a few points you may be able to clarify. Would the tab washers still be needed with these fitted, I’m thinking, yes for the rear axle (3 speed) and no for the front, would you know if this is correct? By the way, do you mean by ‘mythical quick release’ the wingnuts fitted to the front axle of the Plus Four? If so, they are now listed on the Pashley website and are available as an option, I have just aquired a pair of them for the front axle, via my local Pashley dealer in Wadebridge, price £10. Also have you any tips on setting/aligning the wheels true when fitting these tugs?

Safe riding one and all, Geoff ‘Duchy Wheeler’.

7:56 pm
Apr 12, 2010


Adam

Manchester, England

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Post edited 7:12 pm — Apr 12, 2010 by Adam


Good Evening,

I fear you may have over ordered on the chain tugs. The front wheel just sits as usual, and does not require bracing. With regards to the rear wheel, all the fittings already on your bike will still be required.

I’m sure once you have fitted the tugs, you will realise how easy the process is, the part raised part of the “tug” sits in the gap on the chain stay, the cupped part in front of the lock nut sits over the end. To align the wheel I tighten the lock nut up until the chain is at the required tension, I’ll then nip the chain side up. On the opposite side I’ll adjust the lock nut to expose the same amount of the bolt as on the drive side. I count the number of exposed threads, but you could just as easily measure the length or just do it by eye. I’ll them give the wheel a few firm belts to make sure the tug is resting against the chain-stay, then nip the other this side up.

I think my “instructions” have made the process sound more complicated than it really is, if you do have any problems, in order not to bore fellow owners to death if you drop me a PM I’ll be happy to go into more detail.

Thank you for the heads up regarding the quick release, I feel a purchase coming on.

Regards,

Adam

10:18 pm
Apr 12, 2010


jmkd

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Having seen these little wonders in person I can confirm all the positive descriptions.

So much so in fact, that…I will soon be recommending every Guvnor owner acquires a pair!

10:01 pm
Apr 16, 2010


Duchy Wheeler

Cornwall. UK

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Post edited 4:03 pm — Apr 18, 2010 by Duchy Wheeler


Good evening one and all,

I have tried fitting these tugs on my ‘three speeder’, but there’s a problem. The thickness of the tug where it fits around the rear axle on the chain side moves the Surmey Archer nut and toggle chain further out, see my post in ‘The Public House’ — ‘Three speed operating cable’, unfortunately this exacerbates the problem identfied with the gear operating cable. It’s a pity because I did like the idea.

On a positive note, I also put the newly acquired Pashley wingnuts (à la Plus Four) on the front axle and they do look the business.

Safe riding, Geoff Baker.


12:31 am
Apr 26, 2010


Morgan

London

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posts 54

Hello Geoff,

As a Three Speeder, I was hoping to fit these too, but your comments suggest I should hold off. Can you tell me, how far does the toggle chain move out? I’ve not had a problem with the gear cable so far, so perhaps I could survive a few more millimetres. Any other Three Speeders have tales to tell?

Best, Morgan.

8:37 am
Apr 26, 2010


Duchy Wheeler

Cornwall. UK

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Morgan.….….the amount is 4mm, which doesn’t seem much but it will exacerbate the operating cable issue. Because the cable is unsheathed it runs in a straight line from the base of the seat tube to the toggle chain, I have used a cable tie on the chainstay, about 6″ from the axle, to move the cable inboard. Maybe a better way would be to replace with a sheathed cable together with suitable SA fulrum clips?.….……safe riding one and all, Geoff ‘Duchy Wheeler’.

5:44 pm
Jul 7, 2010


Duchy Wheeler

Cornwall. UK

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Morgan and/or any other 3 speeders out there.….….……have you fitted these chain tugs? I’ve overcome the problem I had with the SA gear operating cable, see above, by fitting the wider MKS ‘Tourist’ pedals. So maybe fitting these chain tugs could be on the cards, although I haven’t yet had any chain tension problems, but the option’s there if this does become an issue. Any feedback would be welcome.….….……safe riding one and all, Geoff. 

4:29 pm
Aug 16, 2010


Pete

Manchester

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Hi, I’ve twice now pulled my rear wheel out of alignment (both times from a standing start at busy junctions on a slight incline) in 4 rides. Has anyone else had this problem. Unfortunately the tyre has worn away some paint on the chainstay because of this.

When I loosen off both rear bolts the wheel naturally pushes into the chainstay and it looks like the small bolt on the brake is pulling it that way. Has anyone else had this issue? These chain tugs look just the ticket but has anyone fitted them to a 3 speed yet? 

Any help much appreciated (I’m guessing i need to have a lighter foot)

Cheers

Pete

6:18 pm
Aug 16, 2010


Biscuit

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posts 92

Always loosen all bolts for rear wheel including the ‘torque bolt’ on the near side of bike when adjusting chain — makes it easier (sorry if that is granny and eggs advice). Always make sure you tighten all the bolts you loosened ESPECIALLY the ‘torque one’ mentioned above.


I find it easier to tighten torque bolt first after getting chain ‘just so’.


That said, I have one (a chain tug as in picture above — just the one) to add to mine. I experienced the wheel ‘twisting’ but judicious use of the spanner sorted it out. I will still fit it though (as I bought it) and believe on the very rare occasion it will add just that little bit of ‘peace of mind’.

It will also allow me to adjust my chain easier, using the tug to set up tension first and because I’m a bit of a worrit when adjusting!

6:42 pm
Aug 16, 2010


Duchy Wheeler

Cornwall. UK

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Pete,

I have some of these chain tugs , but haven’t found the need to use them yet on my 3 speeder.

I can’t see why they shouldn’t do the trick and I will fit them if and when axle security and chain tension become an issue. I take it that you have slackened off the brake torque arm before alinging the rear axle? The tug will move the SA toggle chain and cable outward, see above post, so the gear operating cable will need adjusting.

For paint touch-up I would recommend ‘Japlac’ jet black.

Safe rides one and all, Geoff.

8:07 pm
Aug 16, 2010


Pete

Manchester

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posts 6

Biscuit, Geoff,

Many thanks for the advice. I didn’t have a 10mm spanner out on the road but since reading your posts I’ve had another look and got everything lined up nice. I think I’ll order some of these chain tugs for future piece of mind though.

Thanks again

Pete

9:23 pm
Sep 15, 2010


Biscuit

Regular

posts 92

My experience of fitting this chain tug is as follows (one in photo from Charlie’s);

1) it doesnt fit without some mods– in my opinion.

2) mods are as follows (in my experience),

3) I found if I fitted it as per photos i.e. on the outside of the chain stay then, it forced the anti-rotation washer’s tabs on that side to bend ‘out’ towards the sprocket (potentially comprimising the efficacy of said washer??)

4) I had to file the forward portion of the tug (the bit of the tug that sits in the dropout) so the anti-rotation washer had some purchase, as well as filing the little of the bit of the tug that sits aft of the axle (but not as mnuch as forard).

5) it all seems to work and I found it easier to adjust the chain and have had no ‘slippage’ since.

Please do not consider my word as gospel as I may have got all a bit ‘Betty Grable’ but you may want to just relook at your anti-rotation washer on the side that you fit the tug, I guess that would be the chain side (at least there is one on the other side Smile)

Any one who has fitted said tug had similar experience?

8:03 pm
Sep 17, 2010


Adam

Manchester, England

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posts 399

Good Evening Mr Biscuit, Gentlemen,

What is this “anti-rotation washer” you speak of? I’m interested as to why you have had to go to such lengths to fit the thing(s) (I have two, I can’t bare the thought of an un-symetrical bike).

Regards,

Adam

12:24 pm
Sep 18, 2010


Biscuit

Regular

posts 92

I too sometimes dislike asymmetry - that said it adds a certain balance as I now have the 3 speed changer on the left bar, ‘upside down’, chromey bit showing. I find it easier to change gear when ‘making progress’. I’m guessing from your post your riding one of those rather agricultural Luddite single speed Johnny’sWink


I fear I should have explained myself thus;


The anti-rotation washers are on the new fangled 3 speed hub. They are little washers either side of the hub, inboard of frame stays that have little ‘ears’ that locate in the dropout. The washer itself has an elongated hole which matches the shape of the axle. leave these off at your peril. Or your axle and hub may resemble some sort of road accident (so may you).


As said elsewhere — sometimes leaping aboard a machine as complicated as a three speeder no matter how Cool can befuddle one’s senses.


Sorry.….…Embarassed


9:07 pm
Sep 20, 2010


Duchy Wheeler

Cornwall. UK

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Post edited 3:38 pm — Sep 21, 2010 by Duchy Wheeler


Mr Biscuit, One & All,

Yes, I can see exactly what the problem is on the 3 speed hub. I’ve some of these tugs, just in case of problems with axle security & chain tension, so far they haven’t been put to use!

Looking at eBay etc. I see there are other designs of chain tug which are less chunky and look to be in effect a plain flat washer attached to a threaded rod which may be better for the 3 speed hub, without resorting to a file.  It would also lessen the outward movement the SA toggle chain/operating cable, see my post above.

Have any of you fellows any experience and/or recommendations of this type of tug?

Safe rides, Geoff.


8:12 pm
Sep 21, 2010


schloopfeng

Regular

posts 64

Hi Chaps,

My 3 speed has tugs fitted, I found early on that my wheel would slip usually on a climb which was most offputting .…. & I am glad I did as I now run a 14 tooth sprocket & have some serious torque going on.

I did have to modify my tugs a little though not as much as mentioned above … the tugs I managed to get hold of are made by DMR who are well respected in the in jump bike fraternity .… the only mod I had to make was drilling out the hole for the axle a little, the spiggot that sits in the dropout is quite shallow so it does not foul the washer and even though the axle nut is  roughly spaced by 3mm it still changes gear perfectly (and one can still see the end of the axle through the sight hole for adjustment).

My only drawback is that the threaded rods do not look as good quality as the tugs pictured above, but when I find some good stainless studding on my travels they will be easily replaced.

Had my first puncture today by the way … 3 minutes 47 seconds to repair .…. all this talk of lengthy repairs had me curious you see, & I really don’t see what all the fuss is about Wink.

TTFN Folks.

1:28 pm
Jun 19, 2011


Duchy Wheeler

Cornwall. UK

Regular

posts 395

One & All,

These could be just the ticket for the 3 speed Guv’nor.….…

eBay item:  280681612375

Safe rides.

DW.

4:30 pm
Jun 19, 2011


MGCycleChap

Derbyshire

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Duchy Wheeler said:

One & All,

These could be just the ticket for the 3 speed Guv’nor.….…

eBay item:  280681612375

Safe rides.

DW.


Pur~chased.…. many thanks DW


MGcC

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